Cultural Backlash: An Open Post
Sep. 23rd, 2025 11:38 amThere were some interesting discussions on yesterday's Magic Monday post and on the past month's or so posts on the Ecosophia blog regarding the collapse of alternative spirituality in the West and a likely impending cultural backlash against decades of general rot and grubbiness that is decaying our civilization from within.
Some of us here in the US are afraid that a sudden cultural jolt in the other direction, away from leftism/progressivism, will result in any type of spirituality that doesn't fit a narrow, literalist Christian/Abrahamic format as being seen by the reaction mob as "part of the problem." Anything the people leading and directing this backlash deem to be adjacent to the aforementioned cultural rot will be lazily lumped together into one big, bad conspiracy against what they believe they are trying to save and preserve. This likely means anything occult/esoteric, overtly pagan, or too foreign will be included, with very little nuance. As we know, the moral collapse of both Neopaganism and the postmodern occult scene hasn't helped matters at all in this respect, especially in light of recent tragic events.
Anyway, I want to know what anyone else here thinks of this and anything in your own area (US or somewhere else) you have seen indicative of a new cultural direction that may or or may not involve the condemnation of the things I listed above (or anything else that comes to mind). Also, we could use this space to think up ideas on how to preserve and carry on various spiritual teachings and practices if/when an intolerant religious climate becomes reality.
This is an open post that will stay open for quite a long time.
Some of us here in the US are afraid that a sudden cultural jolt in the other direction, away from leftism/progressivism, will result in any type of spirituality that doesn't fit a narrow, literalist Christian/Abrahamic format as being seen by the reaction mob as "part of the problem." Anything the people leading and directing this backlash deem to be adjacent to the aforementioned cultural rot will be lazily lumped together into one big, bad conspiracy against what they believe they are trying to save and preserve. This likely means anything occult/esoteric, overtly pagan, or too foreign will be included, with very little nuance. As we know, the moral collapse of both Neopaganism and the postmodern occult scene hasn't helped matters at all in this respect, especially in light of recent tragic events.
Anyway, I want to know what anyone else here thinks of this and anything in your own area (US or somewhere else) you have seen indicative of a new cultural direction that may or or may not involve the condemnation of the things I listed above (or anything else that comes to mind). Also, we could use this space to think up ideas on how to preserve and carry on various spiritual teachings and practices if/when an intolerant religious climate becomes reality.
This is an open post that will stay open for quite a long time.
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Date: 2025-09-29 08:59 pm (UTC)Greco-Roman polytheists and Heathens should ditch the togas and furs and leathers respectively. The classic white robes of the Druid revival may still work outside of the USA, but in America most folks associate white robes with a certain organization (you know who). Where does this leave us for ceremonial clothes? I say a post on twitter advocating a style of clothing from the 5th century common to both Germanics and late Classical Romans (if I find it again I'll share the link in the comment section). Laity could where business casual, or their "Sunday best." Even sharp looking vintage clothes would be an improvement.
That's all I have for now. Feedback is appreciated.
Sincerely,
Sanctuary of the Rose and Chalice
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Date: 2025-09-30 02:36 am (UTC)Iolo Morganwg wrote that depending on a Druid Revivalist's specialty, green, blue, or white robes were worn. That may have been something he made up, or it could have been a bit of authentic lore that he found, but it does provide for options within the Druid Revival tradition. AODA does not dictate robe color or style; it's up to one's personal Awen or inspiration.
I don't have anything to add to what the rest of you have brought up so far, but the issue is certainly on my mind.
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Date: 2025-09-30 04:15 pm (UTC)As a solo practitioner I don't have a set of robes. I wear my regular clothes. In the warm months I might take my shirt off, but I'm in a city, so I'm inside.
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Date: 2025-09-30 04:13 pm (UTC)Anonymous Anonymous
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Date: 2025-09-30 06:33 pm (UTC)Just call it "Folk spirituality" or something innocuous like that.
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Date: 2025-09-30 06:41 pm (UTC)AA
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Date: 2025-09-30 06:17 pm (UTC)On what to wear, I know that the more serious of Heathen groups have embraced the "Sunday best" type attire for lay participants. For Druids or any other sort of polytheist cleric, the simple white alb robe works just find and doesn't stand out as anything remotely weird or nefarious. I agree that wearing a toga or bear pelt or whatever is totally stupid and and immediate sign that one's religion/spirituality is unserious. The cosplay nonsense has to go.
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Date: 2025-09-30 06:24 pm (UTC)AA
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Date: 2025-09-30 06:35 pm (UTC)