Have the Gods Forsaken us?
Aug. 11th, 2022 01:59 pmSomething I just jotted down in another discussion area; on the topic of forming new spiritual groups or projects to address the state of acute cultural disintegration we Americans (and Westerners) are experiencing right now. Basically,
I'm kind of black-pilled on there being any religious or spiritual solution for the state of steep cultural decline we're now in. It seems like Americans in particular will corrupt any all types of spirituality and make it either all about money or all about themselves, or all about some stupid serving-up of pop culture blather that happens to be fashionable at the moment. Honestly I think the only real "solution" is for wise individuals to forget about "fixing society" as a whole and just find/form a tribe and try an infuse some basic spiritual principles into that.
I get the impression that the Gods are rather irate at humanity as a whole right now, and for good reason. I, guessing that there won't be until there is a significant population decline that any sort of new spiritual dispensation might come our way. The old ones are mostly worn out and largely irrelevant to our own cultural reality today, but there are tools and insights within those old systems we can adapt to the conditions of today and use to weather the onslaught of storms that are only going to get worse from here on.
Pseudo-Spirituality for Bored Affluenziacs
I've grown quite skeptical toward the usual stories I read/hear in certain circles about people chatting with Gods and Goddess directly in a nonchalant manner as if they're just some long-lost friends from whenever. Now, some of these stories might be altogether made up, or simply exaggerations of some vague dream or momentary flash in the pain brain fart that gets misconstrued as a profound spiritual experience. In other cases I'm inclined to believe there is some sort of spirit contact happening, but not in the way the recipient of such an experience might think. How many people do banishing rituals before chatting with their spirit buddies? (Yes, this is a rhetorical question) I've gotten the impression that the more serious end of Neopaganism is basically just Spiritualism dressed up in various ethnic costumes. Any sufficiently-intelligent spiritual entity (good, bad, or ugly) can appear in whatever shape or form they want via the psychic connection they establish with the human on the other end; it's just too easy to deceive and play tricks on the naïve dabbler who doesn't have much in the way of occult knowledge under their belt. Now of course I don't deny the existence of the Gods, not to I deny that the Gods can and do help individual humans in certain situations. I'm just rather suspicious of those people who like to talk a big game about what they believe to be divine communications. This is probably the same reason why I'm rather dismissive of prophetic religions.
Now onto the next bit of this rant. I'm gonna spout some Neopagan heresy.
Daimones: Say it Ain't So
It's nice to believe the "Gods" we think we are communicating with are in fact THE Gods, and not merely emissaries, angels, or spirit-messengers of those Gods. However, if we're to accept the idea that the Gods are in fact universal to all cultures, as opposed to being neatly divided up by human tribes and ethnic groups, it would then seem sensical to posit that the Gods appear to many different peoples in many different guises. Thus the "ethnic costumes" that are the "Gods" of each pantheon or cultural tradition, are just different expressions of the Divine Powers. Or maybe they are in fact messenger spirits who each have personality types that correspond with the deity-name they answer to. In Greek terms, these spirts are known as Daimones (Latin: Genii). The Northern traditions might call them Elves. There's some hints in Neoplatonic literature that the "Gods" that demand sacrifices are in fact not Gods but Daimones. Some notes from the Greco-Roman (Neoplatonic) philosopher Porphyry, via
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Now it does seem like Porphyry is imposing a type of dualism that was quite fashionable in his time; effectively dividing the "sprit world" into two diametrically opposed camps of "good" and "bad" spirits (Zoroastrianism and Gnosticism were the most guilty of this originally, and this habit trickled down into Christianity). While there are indeed a lot of bad (or at least cruddy) spiritual entities out there, I think there are many that simply aren't very relevant to human existence, nor are really categorizable according to human morality. Their neither malicious or beneficial to us; they simply are their own thing. But the overall takeaway from the above quote is that the object(s) of human worship can very easily become misdirected toward entities that don't exactly have our best interest at heart, or maybe just don't care about us. Where do the Gods come into this? Honestly, this is something I'm exploring and have nothing resembling concrete answers on, other than the fact they do exist and their presence(s) are all-but-ubiquitous. But the Gods are foremost mysteries and that we've lost most of the knowledge we used to have about them, which was probably garbled to begin with.
Personally, I lean toward the position that the "True Gods" are something akin to the Aeons of the Gnostics, and the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the Northern Buddhists. I think the Neoplatonists referred to such entities as "Hypercosmic Gods." Anyway, I think these "pure" entities are so far removed from human experience (and unlikely to meddle in our petty affairs) that we can only experience their mysteries through spiritual intermediaries; again, the Archangels, Angels, Spirit Guides, and other beings well advanced beyond the human level of consciousness, yet not exactly "Gods" in the full sense.
This rant has been excessively long, disjointed, and perhaps contradictory at points. But oh well, I needed to spill this out somewhere. There's likely a fair number of spelling, grammatical, typographical, and punctuation errors in there too. But too bad, I'll get around to fixing those later.
I'll end this with an annoying question:
Is the "Odin" or "Hecate" some bored American suburbanite communicates with before bedtime a Daimon (Spirit) or a God/Goddess?
I'm kind of black-pilled on there being any religious or spiritual solution for the state of steep cultural decline we're now in. It seems like Americans in particular will corrupt any all types of spirituality and make it either all about money or all about themselves, or all about some stupid serving-up of pop culture blather that happens to be fashionable at the moment. Honestly I think the only real "solution" is for wise individuals to forget about "fixing society" as a whole and just find/form a tribe and try an infuse some basic spiritual principles into that.
I get the impression that the Gods are rather irate at humanity as a whole right now, and for good reason. I, guessing that there won't be until there is a significant population decline that any sort of new spiritual dispensation might come our way. The old ones are mostly worn out and largely irrelevant to our own cultural reality today, but there are tools and insights within those old systems we can adapt to the conditions of today and use to weather the onslaught of storms that are only going to get worse from here on.
Pseudo-Spirituality for Bored Affluenziacs
I've grown quite skeptical toward the usual stories I read/hear in certain circles about people chatting with Gods and Goddess directly in a nonchalant manner as if they're just some long-lost friends from whenever. Now, some of these stories might be altogether made up, or simply exaggerations of some vague dream or momentary flash in the pain brain fart that gets misconstrued as a profound spiritual experience. In other cases I'm inclined to believe there is some sort of spirit contact happening, but not in the way the recipient of such an experience might think. How many people do banishing rituals before chatting with their spirit buddies? (Yes, this is a rhetorical question) I've gotten the impression that the more serious end of Neopaganism is basically just Spiritualism dressed up in various ethnic costumes. Any sufficiently-intelligent spiritual entity (good, bad, or ugly) can appear in whatever shape or form they want via the psychic connection they establish with the human on the other end; it's just too easy to deceive and play tricks on the naïve dabbler who doesn't have much in the way of occult knowledge under their belt. Now of course I don't deny the existence of the Gods, not to I deny that the Gods can and do help individual humans in certain situations. I'm just rather suspicious of those people who like to talk a big game about what they believe to be divine communications. This is probably the same reason why I'm rather dismissive of prophetic religions.
Now onto the next bit of this rant. I'm gonna spout some Neopagan heresy.
Daimones: Say it Ain't So
It's nice to believe the "Gods" we think we are communicating with are in fact THE Gods, and not merely emissaries, angels, or spirit-messengers of those Gods. However, if we're to accept the idea that the Gods are in fact universal to all cultures, as opposed to being neatly divided up by human tribes and ethnic groups, it would then seem sensical to posit that the Gods appear to many different peoples in many different guises. Thus the "ethnic costumes" that are the "Gods" of each pantheon or cultural tradition, are just different expressions of the Divine Powers. Or maybe they are in fact messenger spirits who each have personality types that correspond with the deity-name they answer to. In Greek terms, these spirts are known as Daimones (Latin: Genii). The Northern traditions might call them Elves. There's some hints in Neoplatonic literature that the "Gods" that demand sacrifices are in fact not Gods but Daimones. Some notes from the Greco-Roman (Neoplatonic) philosopher Porphyry, via
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But for the gods within the heaven, the wandering and the fixed (the sun should be taken as leader of them all and the moon second) we should kindle fire which is already kin to them, and we shall do what the theologian says. He says that not a single animate creature should be sacrificed, but offerings should not go beyond barley-grains and honey and the fruits of the earth, including flowers. "Let not the fire burn on a bloodstained altar," and the rest of what he says, for what need is there to copy out the words? Someone concerned for piety knows that no animate creature is sacrificed to the gods, but to other daimones, either good or bad, and knows whose practice it is to sacrifice to them and to what extent these people need to do so.
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One thing especially should be counted among the greatest harm done by the maleficent daimones: they are themselves responsible for the sufferings that occur around the earth (plagues, crop failures, earthquakes, droughts, and the like), but convince us that the responsibility lies with those who are responsible for just the opposite. They evade blame themselves: their primary concern is to do wrong without being detected. Then they prompt us to supplications and sacrifices, as if the beneficent gods were angry. They do such things because they want to dislodge us from a correct concept of the gods and convert us to themselves. They themselves rejoice in everything that is likewise inconsistent and incompatible; slipping on (as it were) the masks of the other gods, they profit from our lack of sense, winning over the masses because they inflame people's appetites with lust and longing for wealth and power and pleasure, and also with empty ambition from which arises civil conflicts and wars and kindred events. Most terrible of all, they move on from there to persuade people that the same applies even to the greatest gods, to the extent that even the best god is made liable to these accusations, for they say it is by him that everything has been thrown topsy-turvy into confusion. It is not only lay people who are victims of this, but even some of those who study philosophy; and each is responsible for the other, for among the students of philosophy those who do not stand clear of the general opinion come to agree with the masses, whereas the masses, hearing from those with a reputation for wisdom opinions which agree with their own, are confirmed in holding even more strongly such beliefs about the gods.
Now it does seem like Porphyry is imposing a type of dualism that was quite fashionable in his time; effectively dividing the "sprit world" into two diametrically opposed camps of "good" and "bad" spirits (Zoroastrianism and Gnosticism were the most guilty of this originally, and this habit trickled down into Christianity). While there are indeed a lot of bad (or at least cruddy) spiritual entities out there, I think there are many that simply aren't very relevant to human existence, nor are really categorizable according to human morality. Their neither malicious or beneficial to us; they simply are their own thing. But the overall takeaway from the above quote is that the object(s) of human worship can very easily become misdirected toward entities that don't exactly have our best interest at heart, or maybe just don't care about us. Where do the Gods come into this? Honestly, this is something I'm exploring and have nothing resembling concrete answers on, other than the fact they do exist and their presence(s) are all-but-ubiquitous. But the Gods are foremost mysteries and that we've lost most of the knowledge we used to have about them, which was probably garbled to begin with.
Personally, I lean toward the position that the "True Gods" are something akin to the Aeons of the Gnostics, and the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the Northern Buddhists. I think the Neoplatonists referred to such entities as "Hypercosmic Gods." Anyway, I think these "pure" entities are so far removed from human experience (and unlikely to meddle in our petty affairs) that we can only experience their mysteries through spiritual intermediaries; again, the Archangels, Angels, Spirit Guides, and other beings well advanced beyond the human level of consciousness, yet not exactly "Gods" in the full sense.
This rant has been excessively long, disjointed, and perhaps contradictory at points. But oh well, I needed to spill this out somewhere. There's likely a fair number of spelling, grammatical, typographical, and punctuation errors in there too. But too bad, I'll get around to fixing those later.
I'll end this with an annoying question:
Is the "Odin" or "Hecate" some bored American suburbanite communicates with before bedtime a Daimon (Spirit) or a God/Goddess?