Jan. 8th, 2019

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My short answer is the first question is: No. Well, not unless the speech in question starts to demonize and dehumanize people who don't follow the religion of the speaker. Attacking mere ideas does not mean the denigration of people and groups. The second question I'll address further down.

First off, I need to state that "hate speech" has become a horribly-abused weasel term and has thus lost whatever meaningfulness it once had. The regressive left (SJWs, Neomarxists, Intersectional cultists, ect.) considers "hate speech" to be any form of speech which challenges their ideology and agenda. And of course big corporations (particularly Silicon Valley) have jumped on the "hateful bigots are under every couch cushion" moral panic bandwagon and used it as an excuse to engage in draconian censorship campaigns.

Having gotten that out of the way, I can get to my main point here: that many conservatives today can be rather schizophrenic and hypocritical when it comes to the hate speech concept. Take the popular conservative stance on Islam, for example. More specifically, the role of Muslim communities in Western countries. Christian conservatives in particular will waste no time in getting outraged at any unflattering things Islamic preachers say about the Christian religion, yet fail to apply that standard to Christian preachers who constantly denigrate other religions and worldviews like atheism.

I would argue that when an Imam tells his congregation things like, "the belief that Jesus was the son of God is offensive/blasphemous!" Zzzzzzz....boring. Such utterances are no worse or extreme than Christians claiming that nonbelievers are going to burn in hell for eternity. Islamic preaching in the West however becomes dicey when preachers:

(1) tell their congregants to self-segregate and resist assimilation, and worse,
(2) incite their followers into committing violent acts. Any responsible Western government would be vigilant toward discovering and rooting about those above two actions.

The first is a direct violation of the good-will and good-faith inclusiveness of Western society. And of course the second is a manifest national security threat. The second can easily be classified as hate speech when violent rhetoric and open calls for violence is directed toward specific groups of people.

What conservatives do rightfully point out though is the fact that Muslim hate speech often gets treated leniently or is even gets a free pass nowadays. Under the new "rules" dictated by intersectional leftist/SJW dogma, Muslims are monlithically deemed to be an "oppressed group," because a lot of Muslims happen to have brown skin or something (yeah, Islam isn't a race), and that the Muslim world as a whole is much poorer and undeveloped compared to the West. And voila, Muslims as a whole are victims of the evil West!! (and white people by proxy). As a result of this nonsensical leftist ideology, Muslims are now free to spew the most vile hate speech imaginable, while anything a white Christian says that doesn't bend the knee to Neoliberal globalism is put under a microscope and scrutinized down to every last detail. Islamist ideologues in the West have taken advantage of this new (anti)intellectual climate and have used it to advance their own agenda. The can freely spew their own bigotry and can act in bad faith all they want; but when any non-Muslim dares to call it out, they can simply claim the challenger is being a hateful bigot who is "punching down" at their poor little oppressed self. And the cultural left today totally eats up that (non)argument. Farcically, many regressive leftists now consider Islamists to be their "allies" in fighting "the man." This should be the dictionary definition of Useful Idiot.

In all fairness, if any speech criticizing Islam is "hate speech," then the same can be said of, any speech critical of the ideas/doctrine contained within ANY religion. Yeah, let's go ahead and apply that fair-and-balanced standard and see where we end up on the debate stage.

So back to the title: Is sectarian-dick waving hate speech? No, not when it merely denigrates ideas and abstract concepts. But when that speech starts going after specific people according to ethnic, racial, religious criteria, then sure. Otherwise, no idea, set of ideas, dogma or abstract concepts are sacred and protected in the general sense; there's simply too many competing belief systems among humans for that sort of thing to be even remotely tenable as enforceable policy.
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Here is an interesting article news story that caught my eyes earlier today. It's about US Navy sailors who hold religious services rooted in Norse paganism aboard aircraft carrier.

Heathenry is experiencing a resurgence.

The polytheistic religion, one that traces its origin to Norse myths that tell of the universe’s creation and prophesy its destructive end, was at one time stifled following the end of the Viking Age and the subsequent spread of Christianity.

One such collections of myths, “The Prose Edda” — authored by Icelandic historian and politician Snorri Sturluson sometime around the year 1220 — provides much of what the modern world knows about Norse mythology: Yggdrasil, Asgard and the Aesir, a tribe of gods and goddesses with names like Odin, Thor, Loki, Frigg and Idun.

Now, nearly 800 years after Sturluson’s “Edda,” a small group of sailors aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis has adopted these deities as the pillars of their religion, according to a Navy release.


My only opinion on this is simply, good for them! Anyway, the comment reactions to this story from shrieking ('autistic screeching' in 4chan parlance) evangelical Christians were pretty entertaining and entirely predictable. The responses fall along the lines of:

1. See, this is evidence of Satantic cults everywhere; the spiritual war is real!
2. Those evil and depraved heathens are probably sacrificing children!!!
3. Who needs old superstitious Norse mythology when we have Jesus to save us from our sins???

My response to these sentiments:

1. Yeah, just a couple decades ago you idiots were claiming that Dungeons % Dragons and heavy metal music were nothing but fronts for secret "Satan" worship. [Fallacy: ANYTHING THAT ISN'T EXACTLY MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IS EVIL/SATANIC/DEPRAVED/BLASPHEMOUS]
2. Dude, your entire religion revolves around human sacrifice. Glass houses, glass houses. [PROJECTION]
3. Ok, so let me get this straight: Norse mythology is just mythology and superstition, whereas Hebrew mythology is scientific fact? Whatever you are smoking, pass it this way. Wait...on second thought, I think I'll pass. [Again, PROJECTION]

I long for the truly old days when we go just each go about our business believing (or not believing) in any variant of whatever mythology or cosmological schema we want to without any real threat of harassment, coercion or character assassination. Maybe fundamentalist Christian will learn their lesson on this now that SJWs are coming for them. Then again, they probably won't learn a damn thing.

Oh well... Hail Odin!
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